His Divine Grace Çréla Bhakti Rakñaka Çrédhara Deva Goswämé Mahäräj
27 th, 29 th.12.81
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : …are supplied by them, the scriptural aspect of the [vachar?] and the practical by Nityänanda, Advaita, Çréniväsa Äcärya, in Bengal. They're going on with practical duties - saìkértana, making disciples. And the scriptural side was gathered, compiled and gathered and published by the Våndävana party, under the lead of Sanätana, then Rüpa, Jéva, Gopäl Bhaööa, and Raghunätha däsa etc. They're the authentic scriptural…
Devotee : Under the leadership of Sanätana Goswämé Mahäräj . He was the leader of the scriptural compilation.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Physically, but that is with the viddhi…
Devotee : The rules and regulations.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : The general…
Devotee : Scriptural injunction.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : …scriptural injunction, the injunction of the general devotional side. And the internal, raga side, that was relied with Rüpa Goswämé to analyse the affection, love, and the, our affinity, the mental, the sentimental side. That was taken up by Çré Rüpa, the rasa-vihara, çanta, däsya, säkhya, vätsalya. The external side by Sanätana and the internal side of love given Våndävana, and that was entrusted with Çré Rüpa, he's empowered, inspiration from Mahäprabhu for that. And Rüpa took up that anuräga side, the love affairs, divine love. He began to produce original scriptures. And Sanätana he collected many directions from different Puräëas and other previous scriptures, holy scriptures, and by power of that he tried to prove that what Çré Caitanyadeva has told, that is the real purpose of life. And in this way we can acquire that end of our life. The external side was supplied by Sanätana Goswämé and the internal side by Rüpa Goswämé.
And Jéva Goswämé afterwards came to prove and put that in Vedic and Vedäntic basis. That this is the object, the purpose of the Veda, the Vedänta, and Puräëa , they all say what's the gist, the very purport, what Mahäprabhu has endowed our Guru Goswämé, Sanätana Prabhu has done, that is proved by the scriptures, living scriptures of all of the sanätana-dhäma.
And Gopäl Bhaööa also gave some [dictence?] about the småti from Rämänuja section the [bhaktiskal?] also was added to that. In this way the things began, nearly four-hundred and a half years ago, four-fifty years back.
Devotee : Mahäräj, did Mahäprabhu in any place directly mention that He was the Supreme Personality?
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : That was only revealed with Rämänanda.
Devotee : But that even not spoken out.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : No. "You conceal it. Your intense divine love has forced Me to show this to you, but don't divulge it to others." In this way He showed - Rasa-räja mahäbhäva dui eka rüpa. He was forced by Rämänanda's intense love to show in that way. And in other places also, in some mystic way, just as to…
Devotee : Muräré Gupta.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : This Muräré Gupta in a way, that Tértha-vipra, to him. Suddenly in some places and then suppressed. In this way He showed.
Devotee : Särvabhauma Bhaööäcärya.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Särvabhauma, playfully, not direct "That I am so." To Tértha-vipra somewhat, and to Rämänanda to the fullest extent, "That I am so and so." That also in a suppressed way, somehow, "Don't divulge it to others, don't give it publicity."
Devotee : Mahäräj, yesterday you were beginning to explain that Svarüpa Dämodara Goswämé, he had composed fourteen çlokas which is the basis of…
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Basis of all.
Devotee : But I think something else came in between and you did not explain. Could we hear that explanation once more Mahäräj, if it is…
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : What?
Devotee : About these fourteen çlokas.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : It is found in Caitanya-caritämåta [Ädi-lélä, 1-14] who is Mahäprabhu, who is Nityänanda Prabhu, who is Gadädhara, who is Advaita, this Païca-Tattva. Six çlokas for Mahäprabhu, five devoted to Nityänanda Prabhu, perhaps two for Advaita Prabhu, one for Gadädhara Paëòit, another for Païca-Tattva perhaps. These fourteen çlokas came from Svarüpa Dämodara and that is the basis of the whole lélä of Mahäprabhu. He was the most intimate, Rädhäräëé, Lalitä, and he knew everything. Hare Kåñëa. Hare Kåñëa. Svarüpa Dämodara is within our guru-paramparä but not Rämänanda. Rämänanda is nearer to Kåñëa than to Rädhäräëé.
Devotee : Yes.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Viçäkhä-Näma, between the Two, middle-man. A little inclined towards Kåñëa. But Lalitä is exclusively in the support of Rädhäräëé. And sometimes she becomes haughty, ha, ha, towards Kåñëa, cruel, to deal with Him, to keep up the dignity of her Mistress Çré Rädhikä. She is…
Devotee : Unconcerned.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : No. Desperate, sometimes she becomes desperate, crosses the reason and, the plane of reason and rhyme.
atunga sodida vasi visesa vasas pradolan?
Rüpa Goswämé, he's describing her nature, Lalitä Devé.
rädhä-mukunda-pada-sambhava-gharmmabindu-
nirmmaïcanopakaraëe kåta-deha-lakñyäm
atunga sodida vasi visesa vasas pralandan?
devim gunesa lalita purulitam lalitam namame?
Rüpa Goswämé says, "I bow down to that great mistress Lalitä, whose nature is such. How? Rädhä-mukunda-pada-sambhava-gharmmabindu. If she finds a little drop of sweat either in the foot of Rädhäräëé or Mädhava she's besides herself and wants to take one million bodies. How eagerly she wants to remove that drop of sweat. That is her eagerness, earnestness of service of Both of Them. She can't tolerate that if a drop of sweat should come on Their feet she becomes mad to find it. And at least with one lakh of bodies, with that attitude she goes to remove that. So much affection she behaves towards Them.
rädhä-mukunda-pada-sambhava-gharmmabindu-
nirmmaïcanopakaraëe kåta-deha-lakñyäm
atunga sodida vasi visesa vasas pralandan?
Sometimes she's a little…
Devotee : Light?
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Boisterous, sometimes she seems to…
Devotee : Playful mood?
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Not playful, a little ugra [haughtiness] …
Devotee : Cruel?
Devotees : No. No.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Crosses the limit of gentleness, discourteous, impertinence, some degree of impertinence is shown in her behaviour.
atunga sodida vasi visesa vasas pralandan?
But over-talkative, she's something more, unnecessary, but that is only meant for the highest degree of her affection towards the Both. Can't tolerate, she becomes a little, prajalpa , talkative, over-talkative sometimes, crosses the limit of courtesy she's seen sometimes. But it is only for the extreme attraction for Their good."
jam kama api braja rupi vrsabhanu jaya apeksa sapeksa baravin anirudha mana?
Whomever she's coming across while walking in the streets of Våndävana: "Come, join our side." Ha, ha. "Join us, join us. There is Candrävalé's side and others. Join us, join us." Whomever she finds, any girl. "Come, come, join us, join us, join the camp of Rädhäräëé."
jam kama api braja rupi vrsabhanu jaya apeksa sapeksa baravin anirudha mana?
asodyustya?
And if only she admits, "Yes, take me, accept me, yes…
Devotee : Enlist your name.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : "Yes, enlist her name. Come, join us." In this way she's moving, fulfilling her aspiration immediately, "Come, join. Take her to the office…ha, ha, ha…
Devotees : Ha, ha, ha.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : … of Rüpa, if she will take up the invitation." Big things.
Hare Kåñëa. Hare Kåñëa. Gaura Hari bol! Gaura Hari bol! Gaura Hari bol!
Devotee : This can only, such topics, although it is far above us Mahäräja, but never the less hearing it from you we might get a desire…
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Ha, ha, ha. Hare Kåñëa.
Devotee : … to approach that with utmost respect…
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Very guarded, well-guarded, we shall try to if possible.
Devotee : Yes Mahäräja.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : So he showed his stand, but still of such time on that…
Çrutibhir vimågyäm [S-B, 10.47.61], the Çruti, the Veda, from far away showing by fingers the braja-rasa in this side. Ha, ha. "In this side, go that side. We can't approach more. In this way." Gaura Hari bol!
Devotee : There's a wonderful prayer…
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Gaura Hari bol! Gaura Hari bol!
Devotee : … by the Çrutis personified in Båhat-Bhägavatämåta, Sanätana… it's very beautiful…
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : In Bhägavatam also, the Çruti they're trying to get their crime excused.
Devotee : Forgiven.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : "We say that we Çruti we failed in our duty to express You my Lord. We rather, what we expressed that was something like Brahma. But You are so and so, so playful, so sweet, so accommodating, we could not understand. We could not express also even like that, our failure when we asked for that." The Çrutis are saying like that.
Gaura Hari bol! Gaura Hari bol! Nitäi Gaura Hari bol!
yadi gaura nä hoita , tabe ki hoita, kemone dharitäm de
rädhära mahimä , prema-rasa-sémä jagate jänäta ke
[madhura våndä vipina mädhuré praveça cäturé sära
baraja yuvaté bhävera bhakati çakati hoita kära ]
"Who would come to divulge all these secrets of the harem of Kåñëa if Mahäprabhu did not appear in this world with so much benevolence? It won't be possible that a jéva can enter there in such a highest quarter of the lélä of the Lord."
Hare Kåñëa. Hare Kåñëa.
……..
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : … Hyderabad, it is also within Andhra, Andhra Province.
Devotee : Yes.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : This temple, so Hyderabad has got some influence there, the richest temple in the whole of India.
Devotee : I wanted to invite you to come there Mahäräj so they could meet you. I wanted to invite you to Tirupati so that they can meet you and maybe they can make you the Äcärya there.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Ha, ha, ha, ha. It is not possible for me to go so far. I wish you success from here.
Devotee : They have put Bhakti Svarüpa Dämodar Mahäräj, and myself, and Shankabrit d äsa, we are now…
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : And?
Devotee : Shankabrit, he is one South Indian devotee. They have put us on the Advisory Council to the Executive Officer.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Shankabrit is a disciple of [Çréla A.C. Bhaktivedanta] Swämé Mahäräj?
Devotee : Yes, yes.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Yes. He comes from Andhra or Kedal?
Devotee : He comes from, perhaps from Bangalore, I think he may be from Bangalore, I'm not sure. He's a notorious disciple of Çréla Prabhupäda [A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swämé Mahäräj]
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Tamil, Andhra, Tamil, and that Kanatak, and Kerala, four sections in the south.
Devotee : So he wants us also to become active in the press, to bring up the quality of the printing. It's very bad quality at the moment. But they have all modern machinery, computers, and big, big machines. They're spending crores of rupees for printing press.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Charu Swämé, has he reached there?
Devotee : Bhakti Charu Mahäräj is there.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : There?
Devotee : Yes.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : All right.
Devotee : He was lecturing with us and they liked him very much also. He gave a wonderful lecture, very scientific lecture for one hour and a half. They want him to write this lecture in a book and distribute it in Tamil, in Telugu.
So I also have some good news for you from Delhi.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : What is this?
Devotee : We had that big conference in Delhi you know…
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : That conference, yes, yes.
Devotee : …with two Nobel laureates. So in the newspaper it says, "Nobel laureate debunks theory of evolution." Debunk.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Bunk?
Devotee : Ha, ha. Debunk, ha, ha, ha.
Devotee : Debunk.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Debunk means?
Devotee : Means he has defeated the theory of evolution, he has thrown it out. Nobel laureate.
Devotee : Defeats, means he defeated the theory of evolution.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Oh. The Darwin evolution…
Devotees : Refuted. It is finished.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : It is finished. All right.
Devotee : Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : That is crushed, evaporated.
Devotee : It says, "Nobel laureate Professor [Illya Pragoseen?] of Belgium, here today, Darwin's theory of evolution about chance necessity was no longer valid."
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Hegel's 'Ideal Realism' is there to back, 'Ideal Realism.' The reality is an idea, the beginning of everything the idea first. 'Ideal Realism.' Idea is not an abstract imaginary thing but it is real. Everything is the effect of ideas, starting with an idea and then it is translated into action. Everywhere we find that. The beginning with idea, and then it realises itself into action.
Hare Kåñëa. Gaura Hari bol! Gaura Hari bol!
'Ideal Realism.' That is Hegel's theory. And ours of course - consciousness first, then these are all effects of consciousness. So many kinds of experience, there's rather connected, [grathitha ?] means - just as, what is this to… sütre maëi-gaëä iva - in Gétä:
[mattaù parataraà nänyat, kiïcid asti dhanaïjaya
mayi sarvam idaà protaà , sütre maëi-gaëä iva]
["O Arjuna, there is nothing superior to Me. Everything depends on Me, just like pearls strung on a thread.] [Bhagavad-gétä, 7.7]
Devotee : Thread, threading.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Yes. Mayi sarvam idaà protaà , sütre maëi-gaëä iva. "Just as in a thread so many jewels in a garland so I am within and everything is just like so many gems, jewels, and I am the sütre [grathitha ?] making them one, coming through, passing through them, sütre. Mayi sarvam idaà protaà. Whatever you find it is all in Me in a thread, sütre maëi-gaëä iva, just as in a thread so many jewels are connected to make it a garland. So I am within just like a thread."
So the beginning, the foundation, is he, the consciousness, the conscious will. And whatever everything is outwardly floating, the depth is the consciousness, he. Sütre maëi-gaëä iva, in Bhagavad-gétä you'll find, sütre maëi-gaëä iva.
raso 'ham apsu kaunteya , prabhäsmi çaçi-süryayoù
[praëavaù sarva-vedeñu, çabdaù khe pauruñam nåñu]
["O son of Kunté, by the potency of the primordial element of taste, I am situated as the basis of the flavour of water; and by the opulence of effulgence, I am present in the sun and moon. I am present in the Vedas as their primeval sound vibration, the letter Oà; I am present in the atmosphere as the primordial element of sound; and as the Supreme Male, I am present in all men."] [Bhagavad-gétä, 7.8]
"The very gist of everything, all pervading, that is My apparent, My one function is that, one of My functions, the pervading all through, keeping them, holding them. Raso 'ham apsu kaunteya, prabhäsmi çaçi-süryayoù. In this way, the very gist of everything within Myself. And the conclusion is sütre maëi-gaëä iva. Just as a thread He contains so many kinds of gems and flowers and many things, but the thread is there unifying. My position is such."
Gaura Hari bol!
Devotee : So they said that when we presented our paper, we presented one paper…
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : That is the beginning. You will be able to pulverise. Ha, ha.
Devotee : Ha, ha, ha. They said we had established new school of thought. So I was wondering what will we call it?
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : This is not, this is the oldest school, this is the oldest school, we have taken it up again.
Devotee : What should we call this school? They should give us a name, the new school of thought. We were thinking of calling it 'Interactionism,' Interaction of life and matter. Do you think that would be appropriate?
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Parékñit Mahäräj is told in the conclusion of Bhägavatam by Çukadeva Goswämé:
tvaà tu räjan mariñyeti , paçu-buddhim imäà jahi
[na jätaù präg abhüto 'dya, deha-vat tvaà na naìkñyasi]
["O King, give up the animalistic mentality of thinking: 'I am going to die.' Unlike the body, you have not taken birth. There was not a time in the past when you did not exist, and you are not about to be destroyed."] [Çrémad-Bhägavatam, 12.5.2]
"That you will die - this is an animal consciousness. Don't allow you to come down to the phenomenal world. You are independent; you can stay independently in the world of consciousness. And that is your eternal life. You come down in consciousness and influenced by the consciousness of matter, then you began to die and be reborn, because this matter comes and goes. But you are eternal soul. Why do you allow yourself to come down to material consciousness? You can retain your own ego and everything, pure in the spiritual sky, the spiritual atmosphere, independent of this matter. Don't allow yourself to come, to indulge in, coming in material consciousness. If you do so you will die, and you will be born and death, birth and death; you will be victim to birth and death, because of your malfocused consciousness in this matter. Otherwise you can live independently, no necessity, no relativity of matter is necessary in your intrinsic life. This is, kill this wholesale, wholesale; butcher the idea. This is animal consciousness, paçu-buddhi, to come down and identify one with this physical frame. Why do you allow yourself to come down so low?"
That is the basis of spiritual consciousness. You can live and move freely. And you have got other prospects and resources in the spiritual world. Tvaà tu räjan mariñyeti, paçu-buddhim - that I shall die, this is animal consciousness. Just kill it."
And there's another…the conclusion of Bhägavatam he says, warning, "Are you afraid of dying now, you Parékñit. That serpent will come and bite you and you will die. Are you afraid of your death now, still now?"
"No, no, no. By your grace I am fully established in the conscious world. Now, whatever the serpent may like may do with this body. I don't care to know what part he's coming and biting and whatever will be the effect. I don't care for that. I am fully established in my spiritual position, foundation."
After the conclusion of Bhägavatam he was asked in such a way, and he answered, replied also in that way.
So we find in Mahäbharata we find that snake rolled around his neck and then put a bite on the forehead, but in Bhägavatam the snake came and touched his feet and Parékñit Mahäräj left the world. During Mahäbharata stage what is the forehead biting, in Bhägavata only touching the toe of the feet. So much negligence to this material existence, so much intensity of negligence in the material experience that the author of Bhägavata says that the material disturbance only touched the feet. Whereas Mahäbharata says it touched the head, gave his bite into the head. So material consciousness has been shown less importance in Bhägavatam; well established. Same thing, same fact, but ignored, ignored its influence, the influence of matter over soul, so hatefully negligently shown in Bhägavatam. But Mahäbharata, some effect, that went to attack in the head. These material incidents are of no importance. This is under the leg, under the foot, to be trampled down, material consciousness, prosperity, its charm, all these material achievements to be trampled down under foot.
Purely, I've got a real position by drinking the nectar of the lélä of the Supreme Entity. What do we care for these material things, achievements, or prosperity, or knowledge, or scholarship? Nothing of the thing, neglectfully dealt. We rather drunk deep the nectar of Kåñëa lélä. The Mahäbharata is not realised such a high stage, not dealt with.
Gaura Hari bol!
Anyhow, good sign, you've got good news and victory. But what's the difficulty with ISKCON there? I am told that they already expressed that "We don't want to connect with ISKCON." Is it true?
Devotee : Tirupati.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Tirupati. Anything like that?
Devotee : Well, some devotees have gone to Tirupati, and they were not pleased with their activities.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Who was the leader of that party?
Devotee : Different, no, not party, but different devotees have gone whom they found that were too aggressive. So, he only wants to have those devotees who are not, er, who understand the mentality…
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Yea, anyhow, Swämé Mahäräj, you are there, Swämé Mahäräj is there.
Devotee : Yes. They know Swämé Mahäräj. They respect him very much.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Whether ISKCON or this Trust, Vedänta Trust, one and the same.
Devotee : But they discriminate between good devotees and bad devotees, ha, ha.
So they are very pleased with Bhakti Svarüpa Dämodar Mahäräj, he is very pleased with him. He likes him very much. So we are very happy to have him there to work with. We have made some programmes of giving lectures to the staff of TTD, and started one temple programme in one small temple in the housing colony. And they want us to do naga-saìkértana daily, simple programme. They don't want us to build one temple because already the temple is there. They simply want us to do naga-saìkértana and give lectures on bhakti-yoga. Eventually they will give us some land. They want to get one-hundred acres so we can build our institute.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : On the hill, or lowland?
Devotee : On the lowland. The hill is considered Çeña-Näga.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Çeña-Näga.
Devotee : ………….considers that hill to be Çeña-Näga.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : On which side, the temple, on the southern?
Devotee : I'm not sure which side that is. That is the side toward the Tirupati, when you're coming up the hill…
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : The train from [Gudru?] from main line [Gudru?] Madras, Calcutta, from [Gudru?] junction, a small, narrow gauge line going up, on which side of the line?
Devotee : Well, when we're coming from [Gudur?] to Tirupati you can see that side of the hill. You can see on the hill there is the hoods; the heads of Çeña-Näga. And that mountain goes around and it curls around at the bottom, just like the tail.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : There was a quarrel between Çaìkara and Rämänuja sampradäya there. And both of them demanded - the Çaìkaräcärya sampradäya told, "It is Çiva Mürti", and the Rämänuja told, "No, He's Viñëu Mürti, Näräyaëa." Then some weapons were placed there and the doors closed. Then, anyhow, it was found afterwards that the weapons of Näräyaëa had been caught by the hands of the Deity, and it was decided that He was Viñëu Mürti not Çiva Mürti. We are told like that. And also it is told that Rämänuja was Çeña, Çeña avatära. Taking the body of a serpent, he entered through the drain and put the weapons into the hands of the Mürti and then passed away, ha, ha, ha, ha, stealthily. There is a story like that. Balaji. Hare Kåñëa.
Devotee : I also heard that Rämänuja, he went up that hill with his knees, he tied his feet and he walked on his knees because he did not want to step on Çeña-Näga. Seven hills, seven mountains to cross, before getting to Baladeva.
Mahäräj, one Nobel laureate also stayed at our temple in Bombay. One Nobel prize winner, Nobel laureate, he stayed with us in Bhaktivedänta Institute in Bombay for two days.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Who is he?
Devotee : His name is George Wall, he's from Harvard University, US. And he came and he stayed with us for two days and he gave lecture to the devotees in the temple, ha, ha, ha.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Following your line, eh? Ha, ha, ha.
Devotee : H, ha, ha.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : You are proud of your knowledge, proud of your knowledge, and you want to lower down the position of the knowledge itself. You must hold that it is a primary thing, and they're all the effect of knowledge. And the stone producing knowledge it is shameful to hear for the scholars. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And to value with the valuation of knowledge, that is, it is coming from the stone, that fossil fatherism. Ha, ha, ha.
Devotee : He thinks that we come from the star, from the dying star he says man has been born. The star had to die so that man can be born.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Moon or sun, everything came from the sun but where from does the sun come? Matter comes from matter. What is the new thing? Earth, moon, all comes from the sun but sun is also material substance. So matter comes from matter - no new thing there. This is all stale. And that is no explanation at all. From matter is dividing itself into different planets, what is the charm in the argument there? From big matter particles are thrown this side that side. Is it an explanation?
…sarge loko smin?
Demonic and deity, what is from deity, adjective?
Devotee : Divine.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Divine, the divine and demonic. The fossil father - that is demonic conception. The divine must come down from high to low. Divinity must be given the first preference in existence. Such noble thing, that is born only from stone? Suicidal to think that stone has given birth to divinity. What is this thing? How a man can think, a rational man?
Devotee : It is very unreasonable, this idea is very unreasonable, but still, sometimes…
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Yes. Unreasonable, but it is foolish, unfortunate and meanness, mean-heartedness, that stone has produced me.
Devotee : How is it that so many big, big scholars have been fooled by this theory?
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : You'll be able, by the grace of Swämé Mahäräj, to disperse them, throw them into the ocean. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Devotee : Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
We sold many of our science books, you know we have some science books that we made, and at that conference many people bought those books, at least fifty-per-cent of the members bought our books. We were all sold out. And also we sold some Bhagavad-gétäs . So they're finding a lot of interest in our books now.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : What does he say?
Devotee : Many books distributed.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Oh, there?
Devotee : Yeah, by Janaka bhaya, at the meeting in Delhi.
Devotee : They thought it very interesting, our approach, combining Eastern and Western philosophy. Somehow, all over the world, interest is developing in consciousness. I don't know how but everyone is becoming interested.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Because in the internal nature everyone cannot but have sympathy. This is after all foreign thing, the Darwin theory and all these are misconceptions, ignorance, that cannot have its own independent existence. Just like a cover, spare, that cannot be really, outcome, foreign, the superficial.
Devotee : But why so many people now are becoming interested, at this time especially?
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Ignorance.
Devotee : Before, not so many people were interested.
Çréla B.R. Çrédhara Swämé : Though foreign, [avantu?], not, like parasite, it has come, it is not innate but it is come from out, but still, at the present that has got the over reigning power, the ignorance. So, but still it cannot be intrinsic. It is only foreign thing, indented, not natural, but like dress.
barshan siji nani yatha vihay?
We can take it, we can leave it, like the cover, like a garment, not innate.